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Richie (Trauma)

Richie (Trauma)

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welcome to the winning ugly podcast. We are so happy you are tuning in again. It's me, your host, Trish, and I have Mr Voice himself. Emory.

Yes, Mr Voice is in the house and I am super excited about the show today. Um, to all the listeners out there, you guys are going to have a treat so it's going to be a great show. Wow. I built that up. Huh? I'm sorry. That's the voice

pretty high. Well, hearing stories and being encouraged is why I started this podcast. Are you feeling down and out? Listen in on our next guest as he shares how he had to win ugly through a very traumatic helicopter incident. He had to overcome obstacles that seemed nearly impossible. Listen in and get your daily dose of encouragement for all your TV Levin actor following junkies out there. We want to introduce our guest Richie as we know him. Welcome to the show. And thanks for joining us Richie.

Yeah, Ricardo Obamacare. Did I say that right? Thank you. You ugly. Two winners. Yeah, it's good. It's good to have you on the show, man. Thanks. Thanks. I really appreciate going to be a blast. And I know Sharon, Sharon, a story that's maybe a little difficult, you know, it's always, uh, sort of touchy for people, but I'm glad you're, you're stepping out and doing that. Yeah, sure. I know there's gonna be people out there that's going to be encouraged by, I mean it's, it's fine. I've told this story many times, so it was very cool though. It's not like I'm gonna it's still like a crisis or something. You're going to be fine. Awesome man.

Well, Emory did say your full name, but can you say it in

yeah, I know it sounds way better. I thought I did a great job in Spanish. [inaudible] it sounded like an Emory. No, that was beautiful. That was like, you got to like a 5%

of the accent. Whoa.
Well, I'm sure you all out there can hear some British accent out there. So why do you speak English?

British accent? You got a bit of, what's what you, when you speak English. Actually I'm trying to, um, I don't know. Kind of neutralize my accent. Don't know. I like it. Okay. Okay. Skyline swagger. I wouldn't, everything you see sound smart. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like this guy knows what he's talking. How reporter. Okay. N***a, I was born in Morelia Michoacan Mexico. My Dad Mexican, my mum from England, London, England. So, well that's a cute story because my grandmother, she received student, uh,

students to her house. Oh. And one of those students was my dad. He, he went to learn English. [inaudible] and he met my migrated and one year later he, he married her and spoke. No English still spoke no English, so it does not well, he does it with a beautiful Mexican accent. That's awesome story. So that that's how they met and that's how we were made cool stuff and that's what happens. I think you need to keep the British accent. It's awesome.

Awesome. A few key things to note about Richie, as he said, he is from Mexico. He is an actor. He was in a Mexican boy band named him five

I thought in five was a BMW. Yeah, but this comes from magneto. Okay. This is a a boy band from the 90s it's not a car. It's not a car club, boy, man. No, no, no, they they, they were huge. Then the manager and the two thousands he just resemble the, the the boy band and called it m five that's what I can, I think I'd be in front of you, Mike Nieto.

Wow. Okay. That's really cool. And you started that at age 15 yeah, 15 yeah. I was so young. Yeah. Then a few years later you traveled to Columbia to play in a Colombian soap opera. That's right.

Telemundo. That's some dramatic stuff on yeah. High Energy. That was my drama.

You know, people always used to tell us, Oh, if you want to learn Spanish, listen to soap opera. Yeah. Well I tried that.

Yeah. And I failed. Yeah. Everything I learned was just yelling. Wow. Or he was just yelling. Those kind of words. I, last week I heard, um, this story from a girl in his Levenia who learned Spanish, um, by looking and watching, uh, like soap operas in Spanish [inaudible] story. So I was just failed. Good for miss. Yes. The, yeah. Hmm. You were reading the subtitles

probably you were being lazy. Yes, yes. I did feel the emotion and the passion.

Well, I'm glad you got the role. Um, or whatever. Got The part and that soap opera in Columbia, that's changed my, kind of changed my, my life. Yeah, that's right. Columbia life gave me a lot of beautiful things that I met my there. I have great friends there. Um, yeah. I started drinking coffee in Columbia. Feel for you man. You're living it up. Yup. You met Nelson Book. I met you guys in Volvo task, so it's been an adventure. It's been cool man.

And you were also a Costar in a popular Nickelodeon show. Yes. You were a lead actor in Koombaya Ninja, which is a Fox international original series. Right.

I knew you were big on Columbia Ninja. Uh, well not only because of that hairdo. Right. Then you have to have the [inaudible]

like a design. We took every, every four days. I'd have to go to the Herrick,

but you were telling me, yeah, I'm on, on Cumbia Ninja. We just met and I was like, what is that? What is it? Columbia Ninjas sounds weird, but we wouldn't have coffee at a coffee shop or something in Bogota. And I remember we were in line and it got weird real quick and like more people started coming up to us and then more people and I was like, what's happening? And your wife was like, yeah, this is normal.

Really. I was like, oh, this is normal. Okay. I think I don't remember that. Yeah, it was strange. And they were asking you, it was like little, you know, 1314 year old girls. Yeah. So that was quite odd, but very interesting. That would happen.

And then most recently you played a a right hand man in the hit movie called Miss Bala. That's right. Did I say it correctly? Miss Bala?

Awesome. Your Spanish is great, Huh? Her Spanish is a lot better than mine. Yeah, yours is terrible. Really bad. It's okay to be honest about it. That's okay though. I'm happy with [inaudible]. Your subpar [inaudible] formula worked and your wife is an actress as well, right? Yeah, that's how we met. So cool man. Yes, we, we've, we've done a couple of things together. We, our first sub pop rhe a TV show and Nickelodeon, a movie, Scifi movie. So it's been fun. And what is her name in full? Yana. Neda. And she's cool. Yeah. She's to a lot of fun to know. We have two beautiful kids. It's been, you do, we've been together for 13 years now.

Yeah. Well awesome. Well, so that's you in a nutshell, but we want you to tell us a little bit more about yourself and we will get to the story more in detail about the boy band in the soap opera because I just can't even imagine doing that. That's just, I mean wild. So tell us a little bit more about yourself. Well,

um, I grew up in Morelia Michoacan. Um, I've always been into, um, acting and, you know, I would just learn these, uh, lyrics from songs and try to be Justin Timberlake when I was like very, very young and he was in dancing. Um, so growing up with all of this, my grandmother who, well, she, she was born and raised in England. She would tell me all these stories and how she wanted to become and an actor and she played Juliet in Romeo and Juliet in the school, her first play in England. And me just trying to imagine that, um, I mean, Juliet being played through her, it was kind of, yeah, inspiring and I was very, very shy then. Never, never imagined I'd be on stage. So terrifying. It was terrifying. Yeah. That was my first play was when I was about around eight. I remember, um, and the teacher would in really insist for me to play, um, the devil, you know, in Mexico we have, um, the, this tradition where in Christmas, um, you tell, well, this story of Jesus and someone has to play the devil. And that was me.

What a magical roles. How sweet. Everyone was. So proud. I was sure I could,

there was something but not that and well, I ended up doing it and I remember the day of the play, I didn't have my, um, my horns and a friend. Great. Oh yes I did. But they will. Super. Yeah.

Okay.

They were super girly and one friend of mine, um, had these like cool horns and they were big and I was like, man, you play like my assistant. I, I, it's, I don't want to be like, you know, peaky, but I need your horns.

Yeah. And she was like, ah, I don't think so. So I ended up holding on stage, my little horns, super girly, shiny horns. There were like more like a,

a hello kitty kind of thing. And I just said, okay, let's do it and build it. Yeah. But I, I remember at the end of the, of the show, um, people really clapped and that was like my first, um, I dunno. Public.

Yeah. That's sort of variance. So you got your confidence from that. You were like, something happened on stage and all my

being shy went away. That's cool man. Wow. Just disappeared. And you can act with girly horns. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the message here.

I think I may start wearing horns while we do this show. No, please don't. Please don't. So yeah, that was my first experience and then I realized I just,

um, I wanted to get into like dramatics arts and just give it a try. Yeah. And then I, when I was 12 or 13, I did my first class and from there on it just doors started to open and I got into the boy band, then I started acting and he ran. Yeah, you're very talented. You can act and sing. So thanks for double threat, man. Oh Man. And you have the moves. Oh, thank you. Did watch some of those youtube videos? Oh boy. Band implies. Wow. You guys were getting it. Yeah. We really believe youtube videos are still out there. So you might want to go delete those. Oh yeah, I know right away. Good old times. Old Times. But it's been a blast.

Well, we're Richie, we're going to move into some fun questions. So what advice do you love to give people?

Cool advice. Okay. Well probably just something that's worked for me, you know, be, be grateful with the good situations in bad ones too. You know? Um, sometimes when you go through bad things in your life, um, you realize you've learned a lot, so you have to be thankful for that too. That is very, that's great advice, man. Yes. Yes. So you, um, do you have a hidden talent? Do you have a hidden talent? Got a downtown? Yeah, I do. Great at Epis. No, just kidding. You make aprons. We make them with the at home. I mean, she's the expert. I just kind of, I love what a Paz, you know.

Hey, for those of you that do not know what Ra are, it is a corn cake, which I think originated in Columbia, but a lot of other people like Venezuelans or Peruvians say that they created it. So who really knows, but it's really tasty and delicious. Do you do white ones or yellow ones? White ones. Okay. What's she using? The miracle of the case. So the kit. So on cases, we'll see that again to me, hot chocolate, Naples agendas, which is the best. And do you put your name in your hot chocolate? No, I don't. Oh, that is Gusto. Freely. I never ever, you married to a Bogota? I do. And I thought it was disgusting. It's just phenomenal that, how are you putting cheese in your hot chocolate? That's disgusting. This is delicious. It's this credible is, but it's a certain cheese. It's similar to Mozzarella. Yeah. But um, it's, I don't know what, what do they call it in Columbia? Loosen it because of better? No, no, it's like form cheese, right? I don't remember, but it's a cheese that just with Deanna likes it. She does. She does it right. [inaudible] she, she go, she knows. She knows what's good. She knows what's up. Just if you, it's gross. Then the next question, what do people think is weird about you? You know, we know what you think we owe. It's weird about that. My right hand. Okay.

That's a bit of foreshadowing. Yeah. Wow. They call it, I mean, you have to laugh about your own. Absolutely. No. Uh, I dunno. I play a lot with, um, I'm, I, I make jokes over my missing fingers on my hands. So if you've got some, sometimes people don't get it when I left. So as long as it's funny for you, that's all that matters. Right. Are you a Facebook or Instagram guy? No. Instagram. 100%. Right? Yeah. So what, those are the pictures because, um, I don't know. I think it's more interesting. Instagram, you know, you, you can get, yeah, I like pictures. I like taking photos and I like seeing, I mean the, the kind of

people I follow in Instagram is like cold Subaru. Artistic pictures like yeah, I love that Geo, you know, they, they put like amazing creatures and that was very cool.

Very beautiful. That's a good, good outlay. The creative. Yeah, sure. So I don't know, Facebook, it kind of disappeared for me way like years ago. [inaudible] space did for us and me. I remember my space. Yeah, no way. I was about 12, maybe 13. My space. I had one. Yeah, do, that's awesome. You remember you can make, put the musical on them. My space. I used to have the songs that you could do on all that. It was so cool. And you go to my page. I remember high five, wasn't that a thing called? That was only in Latin countries. Oh, okay. I'm Latin. You might've had it in [inaudible] so you might've had it there. We didn't have it here. Okay. All right. Coffee or tea? Um, I, I really enjoy both, but right now I think coffee. But are you talking about like no black tea? Yeah, that's what I wanted to know.

Yeah. Making sure that my mom would invoice, uh, you know, breakfast and like black tea naturally. I do like tea as well. I found a good one. It's called, it has a Bengal tiger on the front and it's just really spicy and really good. It's hard to live in Columbia and they come back and say, you don't drink coffee. Yeah. So they changes a lot of people. I know it did for me. I mean I always liked coffee, but it definitely went to another level once I lived there because you just have so many options of grand. I can't go through my mornings without, oh, it's coffee. It wasn't one of my few indulgences in Bogota was going to the coffee aisle and just buying and leaving with three awesome bags of coffee that you could never get in the states. It was a credit.

Right. It was really cool. Cake and ice cream or cookies and milk. Well, um, cake and ice cream. Yeah. That's really good. I have to be careful with the sugars because of my type one diabetes, but, but um, yeah, I love ice cream and cake. Chocolate cake. Hm. Let me see. I was going to ask maybe my birthdays. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm not a big cake fan, but I am. So do you like boot ball or football? What? Flute Ball or football? I like football. Like American football? No, like, like the real football, like English, football, football, which is soccer or football. Mexico. Yeah, exactly. Are you good at it? Um, I mean I'm not very bad. I'm good. I'm not that talented to make it to Manchester United. But really this will tell you how talented Emery is with the o football. Slash. Soccer. What story are you turn turn to Columbia? He starts playing my gosh, food ball. Our soccer with the kids. Okay. Kicks the rock. Breaks his toe. Wow. Okay. So we had just been in Columbia for like a month

and we were in Swat. Ya Do you know swatch? Yeah. It's like right outside of Bogota. Yeah. So we were there playing soccer with the kids and uh, we were playing in this field and it had like a, a fence, but the fence was like a ball, barbwire fence and the ball kept going through the, the barbwire fence. So it was getting annoying. So I saw it going through the fence and I was like, man, if I can really ruin and sort of angle my foot to get it before it goes under the Barbra fence, I can kick it out. But when I went to kick it, I missed it and I hit a giant rock and I broke them up big too. I just brilliant. Yeah. Wow. So I'm really bad in soccer. That's my sacrifice.

Oh well I broke my bail. I broke my, my arm plane in Columbia. A friend invited me to this team where they were all actors, you know. But when I got there, this field was just full of ego. It was horrible. Everyone was just trying to, you know, be the best and it was kind of ugly. I'm like the number 10 and I'm whatever. And I, I also bring my own, like I didn't fit in there. What do you mean number 10 bring it back. You said that, oh, the number 10 example was like the number right track. You know, like the, the, I knew that maybe some of our listeners didn't. I just wanted you to expound on that so, well, I was a goalkeeper. I was, I was really good. And while I was waiting for them to let me play and second time,

you know, there's two time to two half's and in football, uh, 45 minutes, so minute 35, second, second time they let me in.

So I'm goalkeeping and I stopped this shot from this pro guy that kicked the bull from about, I don't know, 30 feet from distance. There was an homies. No, he, he wasn't, he was a pro. He was like, he played for me, Yo natty or something like that in Colombia and well he was retired and now he was playing on that team. That's so unfair. And I stopped the, the ball from going in the goal and the ball was there, just this, there, there was, you know, someone who just had to push the ball into the goal and that's it. But he decided to just kick it as hard as he could. Unnecessary. Unnecessary. Yeah. And I just, I jumped and I put my fist on the bull and I just got it away. And he kicked my arm and I broke my arm. Wow.

That was my last five minutes playing in a team. I'm sure that was it. It was not, well, I mean I got home and Deanna saw my face and she's like, what happened to you? I'm not nothing. She just looked at me from, you know, discipline down and just tell me what happened to you. I know something happened. Tell me what happened. I'm like, if someone kicked my arm and she saw my arm, it was like super. Yeah, like three colors on my arm and like a big Bobby's name broken. Like we have to go to the hospital now where you need some um, a medical professional. Yeah. [inaudible] brief the brief stitches. Stitches like the scan, MRI, MRI, Emory. [inaudible].

So yeah, if we found out it was broken. All right. Richie, let's move into your story of trauma. Your story started on a very high note. You were living the dream on your first helicopter ride to perform in concert in Guatemala. Yes. So let's start there. Okay. Well, I was super excited. This was like my first trip with the boy band. It was kind of my first experience with everything, like, like being the new member, um, my first light encounter with the fans and just being on stage. So I was full of adrenaline I think and excitement and sure I was super happy. Like anybody would ask what any teenager when, when we got back to the main event in what the, they maligned the international airport. Um, we were traveling in to helicopters, like the whole crew. So when when my helicopter landed, um, I was playing with, I was kind of, you know, checking everything out and I was inside, they had like a kid and I look up and for the first time I was just, yeah, I was having fun.

I didn't know, I was imagining like my scene and it was super like curoil movies and flick. Yeah, I was Rambo man. Sure. So, so the pilot let you have free range in the helicopter. You were just going through all kinds of things. So cool. I get off the air helicopter and right that moment I'm the first helicopter stat it takes off and I'm like super excited with all the wind and like the, you know, you just feel adrenaline, the emotion, everything on like, Whoa, this feels incredible. All of these hair and whatever. And I just decided, I know in my, in my head I was playing, I was having fun and I jumped. I just jumped and I, that's where it happened. You know, you realize I was, the copper was on the ground. Right. They had a couple of was on the ground.

Yeah. Just wanted it. But the first helicopter took off. Gotcha. I understand. So you jumped and you had your hands in the air and you were just like, yeah, I was playing that. How cool was that? And took four fingers, gone, disappeared that quickly, but I didn't feel a thing. So I think I could've, I don't know, probably three or four steps until I realized, um, my hand was like bumping. Yeah. Like throbbing. Yeah. And when I looked at my hand, I realized I had no fingers, which is four fingers on your body, am I right? Yeah. And I don't know if you remember movie of um, um, 127 hours. Yeah. Yeah. It was the, uh, the guy, the climber guy. Yeah. And, and he, he hit a rock, falls on his shoes on him off or cut it off or something. So that moment where the camera follows, um, this guy and you just, it's like 40 seconds

with his reaction and you're like, okay, something's happening. But what happened would happen. That's me standing in on the ground thinking what just happened? I didn't realize. I thought I was dreaming. Yeah. That was surreal. Yeah. You feel like you're floating. Like it's, it's not real. Okay. So

you realize that you've lost four of your fingers, which was your pointer finger? Middle Finger. Ring Finger and your pinky. Yeah. Okay. And your friends at this point, are, they're marching on or they're waiting for you?

Kind of? Well, I'm, one of my friends is, he's giving an autograph to the pilot of the helicopter. Two of the other guys are just, you know, playing and being silly. This other guy just getting his way through to the, to the van and whatever typical things that a boy band will be doing. And I was just standing underneath the helicopter looking at my hand. Wow. Trying to figure out what had just happened. You're processing all this. I'm trying to think. Years ago I'm like this, I'm assuming blood is this can't be happening. No, not, not a lot of black. No, no, no. It was just, yeah. I mean, no fingers. Right. It is red but not like crazy. It's a lot of coming out. No, not like the movies. Okay. So that's bad. So you notice that. What is the next step that has to happen? I mean, you scraped out? No, I, I just look up and I see the, you know, the, the plates and that's when it hits me. I just realize that really happened. I believe my hand in the blades went into plates. Wow. And that's where I just started screaming. Yeah. My, Hey, my fingers, my fingers. And I then I turned to my two friends who were jacking Nikki and they look at my hand and they start laughing

and I'm like, what are you laughing at? They may and you've got to catch up on your hands. What are you doing though? Don't mess with that trap. And I put my hand right. I put it right in there phases. Right?

They turn like white, like trans or like they, they, they didn't react at all. Yeah. They just were frozen. Yes. And I'm like, what now would I do? What do I do? So Coco who was, um, given the autograph to the pilot, he, he just looked at me and he saw my face. He run, he ran to the, to the emergency area. What gives him the firefighters, right. And it was closed. It was a Sunday. Everything was closed. So, um, there was nobody like, now we do. So he went for them and [inaudible] he just comes next to me. He's like, what happened? And I ma, I don't know. Look in my hand is like what happened at, and he just grabs me and he, he, he starts to call me. He's like, man, this is going to be okay. Everything's going to be okay. Coca just went for four help.

Um, just look at me, look at me. Don't look at your hand. Everything's isn't going to be fine. [inaudible] chilled and yeah. And like freaking out that [inaudible] ask him. I, I was stupid. I, I tell him they're getting it. They're gonna, they're gonna get it. Yeah. Out of the group. So you worry about your mind. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, this is my first day. This, this can't be happening. It's like my dream and now tomorrow I'm going to be out of this. And he's like, no, no, no, no. This is not a moment to think about that. This is you. You're going to be fine. You have to be like, you know, uh, get some strength out and be tough, blah, blah, blah. And uh, well the ambulance arrives to the plays were where we were. And, um, until he comes with me on the ambulance.

This guy who was trying to, you know, um, help me, he was trying to wrap your hand. Yeah. He was trying to wrap my hand, but he was so nervous. I think this was kind of his first experience. Like he's real merchant emergency. He was so nervous. Well, I don't know if he knew who we were or the, I don't know. He looked uncomfortable. He couldn't do it. Yeah. Just couldn't wrap my hand. He, he dropped to the about three times he was like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm like, can you put me to sleep please? No,

no, no. We can't do that. I'm like, please just put me to sleep. Or you want to be sleeping right now? You're just waiting and that ride on the ambulance with the me, it's, it's your worst nightmare situation and you keep hearing this like it's noisy and I'm just going to give an autographs.

We've got an ambulance coming there. He's like, ah, yes. We're almost there. And it was just a long time. It will, that's, that's what it felt. I'm sure it felt like an eternity when we got there. All these crew and um, people in the hospital there were just ready waiting for me because, well this is something. Um, well yeah, I have to say the, this girl who was organizing everything with the telethon, um, that's the main event and we were going to attend, um, she was the, her father was the main, like the general director of the hospital. Oh. Where uh, they took me. Wow. That was, so when I got there they had already contacted the best um, sergeant surgeons specialized in like hand surgery and that work, they were waiting for me. That's all I got there. And very cool. They were like, okay, it's going to be fine.

He was like super calmed and he just, you know, a lot different than the Gauls guy because that guy just couldn't get it from Guatemala. It was from Guatemala. Yeah. Um, but well this other little story was kind of interesting cause we get there and everything was new. You know, I had like a brand new pop and you were looking sharp. Yeah. Yeah. Man, you were six on this one. You had already went up and euro major shiny 'em horns anymore. No, no, no, no. Shiny hoard. This is like legit, like got you t shirt. Like you know, like this is my boy band tee shirt.

That's a great, so yeah, actually it was, it was kind of, it was a dull chair. It was like a couple little tee shirt. Wow. Sorry. The nurse, it's her sister's. Oh No, no. Starts cutting my teeth and you're crying. And they're like, no, so please don't. And she's like, and the neighbor fashion what? You know, I'm missing four fingers and you're worried about you. She's like, what? No, we have to get you into the, you know, you need surgery now. Heck please, please. This is my first stop from the, you know, is really special for me. Don't cut it please. I was full of blood. It was like, like, I'll figure out how to get that scan out. We'll deal with that same later. And she was just kind of so moved and touched for like, by my reaction. She was like, okay, okay, okay.

I was canalized. Yeah, you know, I was, I had the little quits going in through my veins and everything and she's like, okay, we'll take this off. And she had to do like this whole thing through sweet maneuvers and like, um, um, I'm, I'm feeling like super desperate and an aunt she has and everything. I'm not, and Kayla, I need you to sing something. Oh, just sing man, please Bro. MMM. He's like bitter with him. What do you want me to sing me? I'm like anything, just sing. He had like a very good voice just to get your mind off of it and head in English. His angels. So I'm sure he had an angelic voice. He was an angel and, and he started singing and yeah, it calmed comedy and I turned around and I look to the nurse and she's crying. I'm like, wow, this is like a telenovela scene.

This is exactly a soap opera. Absolutely. Then the doctor comes in and it's like super calm and he's like, Hi Richie, I'm your doctor. Guess what? They just found one finger. So that was my question. Did people go on a search for your fingers? Cause I'm sure what the, yeah, that force of the blades they had to, that's the other story from uh, you know the group who stayed in the airport. Yeah. So firefighters come up to them and they're like, yes, we have to look for the fingers. We were sure we can find him. And the firefighters are like, okay look guys, um, this scenario is complicated, first of all, um, from this point over there, you can't, it's like if the fingers are there, they're lost cause their airplanes, uh, lands. So it was just restricted. We couldn't go there. Um, you can look, uh, for your fingers, for your friend's fingers from this point over there and if you find them okay.

But the truth is that the blades destroyed your friend's fingers. You won't find nothing harmful. Little bits of them. Maybe fragments of fingers. Yeah. You're not really there. They didn't think you'd find a whole finger. Yeah. Right. So, but the doctor comes in, the surgeon comes in and he says, good news. We found one. Yeah. Cause, well cocoa, he just decided, um, to organize. Who would, whoever wanted to help, you know, he said, we, we have one shot, we, we have to look for the fingers and we're going to do it. So just organize the search and rescue team and he just lines every, everyone up. Um, 10, 15 people, I don't know. And they take a distance and they all get on their knees and start looking for fingers. And Coco got to a point where there was this huge, um, anger on God where they put the plains anger, anger, and he just decided to climb on top and look for the finger up there and something, something inside him just said, go up there and for the finger.

And it's kind of like, he knew the finger was going to be up there. Right. So it was even kind of dangerous, you know, cause it's not very safe to like, it's pretty high too. Right. High laggers are pretty high. And he says he saw something and he just decided to get over there and it was a finger. So when he first saw the finger, he, he, he freezed he said, okay, this is a finger. What do I do now? Right. So this like gravid Coco's fine and finger number two or this animal finger number were given us, this is number one. Yeah, it's a coco. Finally he, he shouts, he's, I found a finger. I found a finger. So everyone comes, they, they help him down. He has a finger. He, he doesn't, he feels like any movement can just hurt treating it like the most pure gold on earth. And he says, I remember how it felt weird cause it I jump or something and the finger would move inside my hands. Like gosh man, I don't want to damage this. And it was super damaged. I mean every finger had about 75, um, little fractures inside the bone inside the finger ash. So I was, he was not going to hurt it.

So Coco didn't like throw the fingers down from the top of the hangers.

He held it like a perfect piece piece of gold again. Now they always discussing, now what do we do now? What do we do with a piece of finger? I mean we need ice. So watch enough movies. We you put it on and he dies. So what do we do next? Well we have to break in to an office because everything was closed room. This is a Sunday. No one's there. And they, they have to go in, they kicked a door down to go into an office and find a little, you know, little freezer. Yeah. And scratch the ice from the sites and put it in a cup. Put the finger in, take it to the house. Just like that. Just like that. Wow. Same thing happened with the forefingers. So from that point they said we found one, we can find all of them.

So they're hopeful at that point? Yeah. It was. Yeah. That, that story there was amazing too. Cause they, they didn't give up on my fingers, you know, and thing that I would, I really appreciate. Of course. And now that they, how do they attach them? Or how did they, what was the order of that? Okay. So now I'm in surgery room. Doctors are stitching, we'll put him back together. The first finger that came that is, it's the middle finger, right. That they don't know if any more fingers are gonna, you know? Right. It's like a huge thing. Well he probably is going to use this pointing finger. Yes. Or we need him to have this bunch function. You know the like the pinch functio exactly the pinch. So we're going to go put the middle finger and his index finger and I could think maybe one hour later the index finger comes in and I would have loved to send that flip flopped that like, you know, reaction

on their faces. Like I bet they looked at each other. They were like, Oh man, man, where's the index finger to this man Coco? You get a buck just let's just detach it and put it back again or no. Yeah,

they can do that. Because it was kind of complicated course. I didn't have veins in my fingers, so they had to go to my arm and take like bits and pieces of vein and connect them with like the wooden, yeah.

Wow. Okay. Lots of huge square cause they did like, yeah. Well they did a really good job. I'm actually looking at it right now. I mean, so you do have, you still are missing two, so yeah. So a pinky finger. Okay. Super damaged. Like we, we can't save that finger. I mean it's, it's dead. Okay. And then, so when you'd seen better days, the ring finger, um, they saved like the first filing k first Palangi for Lungi. Okay. Phalanges is pretty much the same. Yeah. Yeah. So they decide to take the first Angie and put it on my pinky finger. This is the, okay.

The ring finger. Okay. To give them something there. Okay. Yeah. To try and save the pinkie. Right. Okay. But, um, the veins were very, very damaged. So the pink finger, which was like this experiment from the, um, ring finger, um, it didn't work. Like, um, the blood would accumulate and it wouldn't go back. Oh, okay. It wasn't circulated leading in three days after it later, they had to remove it. Oh, okay. So, um, but I, I got to keep two fingers. I need two out of four. That's good. Yeah. Move three total. Three and a half. That's good. So, um, that was really, I mean, when I, when I woke up, this was 16 hours in surgery. Oh, the whole process. Yeah. Wow. So there, it was like, okay, huge. And you are away from your family. I mean, did your family come? Yes. I mean, my mom and my dad are in Mexico in Morelia.

They obviously they tell, they tell them about what splits going on. They have to get to what the [inaudible], but both of them have their passports. I'm gonna say seven seals there. They're not confiscated. No, not confiscated. Like out of date. Oh yeah. Oh, is that a renewal them? Yes. They both, they were expired. Yeah, the expires. Right. I knew I was good in Spanish. Right. Expired. So they were both in trouble. My Dad being Mexican, being in Mexico, he couldn't do anything. And my mom being English in Mexico that same Sunday, she had her new passport, like okay. She went to the, um, English embassy and she said it was an emergency as she got her passport. Okay. That it didn't work the same for my dad. Right. So people in what they [inaudible] had to like move their influences and get a special permit for made that to come into the country with immigration.

And that's how they got my dad to what they mighta. So they got there, they got there about three days in three. Oh, within three days there. Yeah. So, okay. Well, so when was the concert that night? That night we obviously I weren't, yeah, I wasn't there, but they, they, they didn't for the others. Strange in good kind of weird thing is that um, Allen, who was the lead singer of Magneto, like the huge big magneto in the 90s, he was going to perform, um, in the telethon as, um, opening act or something. Yeah. They have many, many people singing, you know, they race the money for the [inaudible]. So they bring a lot of people and they decided that he was going to be a part of them five. So there were five, the lead singer was Alan from magnet. Gotcha. Wow. So they kind of dedicated the, the show to me.

That's cool. Who was, I mean I was in the hospital. You were sleeping? I was setting no idea. It was, yeah, that was my next question. How did they express this to the fans or did they try to, no, that was a unique, no, it was not a secret. It went public right away. Um, people were very kind to me in what the Mulla and this is, you know, I left my home being like a normal guy. I mean, I've always been a normal guy, but yeah, after the accident, um, it, everything changed. I would like everyone would know me because of that. Okay. Everyone knew my face and everyone knew that I was the guy who had gone through that situation known because of that incident. All of a sudden. And when I got back to Mexico, um, this, um, airport manager comes up to my dad and he says that there's a lot of people were afraid about your sons security and we want to take him out the back door of the airport. And he tells me, my dad, these guys told me this would, what do you want to do? And I'm like, no, my grandma and my sisters are out there. Yeah. They're all waiting with open arms. We have to go through the normal exit. I mean, I don't care who's out there. I want to see my family, you know, and

wow, this was just a, you had no idea, right? No. Like the guy tried to horn the idea. Yeah, but don't play these crazy. There must be like 30 people, 20 people. I don't get what it was. It was thousands of people. Really? Yeah. Like flashes, cameras, all the press shirt on. Did they clean the blood off? I don't remember. No, not even [inaudible] I don't remember what I was wearing, but it was not that tee shirt. Um, I need a pause there because I cannot imagine you having to get back on an airplane or helicopter to go back to Mexico from Guatemala. Airplane is not bad, you know, [inaudible] helicopter.

That was my, that became like my biggest fear. I'm sure that was my Goliath, like giant, giant. And that was kind of my confirmation when I ended my, my cycle in the group. Um, I quit three years later, I decided, well, I want it to, you know, move on and, and do my things, uh, pursue acting. Right. And, and I did that and when I quit, managers said, okay, you can't leave because you've got one more, um, thing with m five you have to go to on Dudas to perform Honduras. Yeah. Okay. If you didn't catch that, it's Honduras. And so I didn't know, but this was another [inaudible] in Honduras and they take us to this place. It was a big field and we're just chilling, you know, just having snacks, drinking some pony pong.

And I hear helicopters like, Oh man, you hear one, but you hear many, it's like two or three. You say what's going on? So I go out to the field and I see three helicopters landing in my heart. Like it stopped. It's like, yeah. I'm like, what's this? I saw him and my personal manager who was taking care of us, he, he, he knows, you know, he's, he, he saw it on my face. He saw that Luca was obvious. He was like, okay, this, this is not going to be good. And he's like, are you okay? I'm like, no, not okay. Why, why, why didn't you tell me that? I like, man, I, I shoot off. Yeah. But I didn't know how to tell you. But yeah, we have to make this little trip on helicopters. They're going to take all the crew over to a little town where we're going to perform.

How many months after this happened? This was three years after. Three years after? Yeah. Okay. Since I had never had to get on a trial again deep. Apparently if it's three hours later. So I tell him I can't do this. I really can't. I'm sorry, but I, I know I'm here. You're going to have to find cause I have to do it, but I'm probably going to get there tomorrow when they're just thinking everything up. Um, so I step aside and my good friend Jack comes over and he just, he hugs me and he says, you're going to be okay man. It's your call, your decision. If, if you can do it, I'm going to be with you the whole time and if you can't, I'm going to be with you. Say, I mean it's going to be the same. I'm like, yeah man, I just need to kind of get a moment as this.

Yeah. Um, so there were about five or six groups, so they had to uh, take the people come back for the next group at different times. And so my personal, our personal managers just arranged the, uh, everything for us to be like the last group give you some time to yeah, get some courage. Yeah, try it. Maybe do some yoga. Malta. So, okay, that's it. Everyone's gone. It's us and some other people. And I'm like, nope, I can't, sorry, I can't do it. Like it's fine, man. And then, um, [inaudible] who is a very famous, um, guy in Mexico who everyone grew up watching every Sunday morning you would wake up and the first thing you'd see on TV is Chavel. He sounds awesome. Yeah. He's like, he, he had this program going on for probably more than 50 years. No, while he started when he was really young, so he's like a legend and he always dressed up as a kid and he had this like kitty voice. Like he would always say, was he like a comedian? You see like this old man performer dressed as a kid with hawking night.

And how did he talk? What are the, what day I would watch a village umbrella.

Yeah. Charlie was, so he comes up to me in a see [inaudible] and I bet you go white again. Yeah. I'm like, what? What, why is he here in,

he tells me, can I have a word with you? Like with his normal voice? I'm like, yeah, you're not chopping along. Give me some proof of that voice. So his real name,

he is, I want to say something to you. I know you're going through a tough situation and I know you're feeling a lot of fear right now. I'm like, yes, probably you don't want to do this. And I'm like, no, and it's fine. But sometime God puts us in this situation because he wants us to fight our fears. And this is your giant today and it's up to you if you want to fight it or not. So it's your fight. But I assure you that if you do this, you're going to feel so much better or you're going to, you're going to get to know victory. Pretty deep bow chow. Yup. I haven't got it. Those were right there. Those were words that I'm very cool. I know I get to keep for all my life.

That was good. Him To say that. I mean, he didn't have to tell you that. Oh, go up to you and say that. Um, yeah, for him to do that, it's pretty cool.

So that kind of, yeah, it empowered me in and I said, yeah, I can do this. No can't. Yeah, I can. And I go to Jack and I tell him, Jack, let's do this. Let's make it happen. Has been like, okay, let's do it.

I'm thinking of like the expendables or something like that has got an action movie. So you just heart and like, do you like hurry up and run and say let's just go right? Yeah, right here. Right. Close the door. That's it. He just grabs me over my shoulders. Are you ready? Um, yeah. Close your eyes. No, those go through. My heart is racing right now. I'm sweating a little mix next.

Next thing I'm just sitting on there feeling nothing. Okay. Or like I did it. We did it. Yes. This is good. Everyone's helped. They're like,

yes. Woo. You got [inaudible] up,

chest bumps and we take off and I feel like this movie island course, yes, you're not okay. We're up in the air and the noise, that was terrifying when I was under underneath like, you know, the eye of the hurricane or you know, like that was as powerful, horrible and terrifying. Yeah. But once I got through it, yeah, everything disappeared. It really disappeared. Net. I mean, we had to come back, obviously. Yes, yes, yes. Let's get on there. But you were good. I can do it

well, so, okay. That is, that is just so crazy. I mean, so it took you three years to recover and, or it took you three years for you to have, um, another concert out of the country to get on. I mean with, with half of concerts out of the country all the time, but just airplanes. Okay. I understand. Okay. So that it took really three years for you to get over this, a traumatic experience and for Chow Velo, is it right? Yeah. Hello, hello. And Jack, man, do you keep in touch with these guys? Sound like not Tobelo. Um, but, but I do with Jack. He's a very, very special friend. I'm south Chavela would be really like honored to like Nina know that you really keep these words too close to your heart just to overcome your giants. That's just so cool. I'm sure he, no, he, he ended his show his show a couple of years ago. [inaudible]

I was sad. Yeah, man. That's the legend. Yeah. I mean he, I don't know. He did it for a long time. Well, I'm glad you overcame that giant. I'm finally getting on the helicopter. Okay, so let's go into, you had to go through recovery. Yeah. What, what did that really look like? Um, I mean, I don't know. Didn't, did you have to have your hand wrapped for so long or, I was wrapped and I had to keep it up high. Elevated. Okay. Yeah. Like elevated for the next, probably six to eight months can be because of the

beans and the blood and the pressure of the beef. The nerves. Yeah. Yeah. I had to just keep arm elevated

the whole time. It's a lot of rehab to sleep, you know, looking up and, oh, okay. That's tough man. So you were recovering in Mexico at your, in Mexico family home and, well it was a quick, I took one month off. I went back to my hometown and in I, they received me like a hero. Everyone you really, Whoa, this is weird.

Did they have like posters like [inaudible] when I got there? Whoa. That is awesome. That was kind of my introduction to fame, you know. Oh, your favorite of known. So what were you struggling inner like your inner struggle mentally first it was hard to see like

the pain of my parents, my family, my friends and um, you know, the first time my, you know, m five buddies came in the room, um, a lot of them, many of them were like crying. They were super sad and I know it was all, it was traumatic for them to know. Yes. There were like Super Sad, like, yeah, he has no fingers. Like this is so sad. And it was me like giving them like, okay, you're lifting, you're lifting. Yeah, it's fine. Don't worry. That's weird. I'm alive. And when my parents, um, you know, they, they were like, my dad wanted to do everything, um, for medics to just take his fingers, put them on my hand. He was like asking that all the time. All the time. Is it possible native? No. I mean we can do it, but then your, your son, I have to have medication his whole life. Oh. Because probably when you know the will, I don't know. It's a lot more complicated than it sounds. Yes it is. So I was just, okay, let's do something. Can you get me a notebook and a pencil? These. Okay. So first thing I did the next morning was, okay, I need to learn in how to use my left hand. That's why I started writing, doing little circles, little sticks, writing my name, my dad's name, my mother's name, like all the names who, whatever, whoever came in the room. Oh. [inaudible].

So, um, that kept my mind occupied. You know, I, now I have to learn how to manage this cause it looks like it's going to be awhile. So at times it would be very frustrating, you know, very tough. But I mean, the first time I wanted to go to the bathroom, they were like, no, no, you can't go. No what you have to do, um, in the bathroom on your bed. I'm like, no, I want to go to the bathroom. No, you can't get up. I'm like, yes I can. And it was super painful, you know. But I'm looking at the nurse on, yeah, I can, I got this, I can go. Yeah. And I went, yeah. Because why, who is she to tell me I can't go to the bathroom? You know? And, and I, those kinds of things that I pushed myself and I think were part of the plan of all of this.

Yeah. I, I, yeah, I'm sure you grew a lot from that. So many things that you learn in those traumatic moments. And then, um, I was like, okay, what are we going to do? And back in the show, uh, we have to get this going so I have an idea, let's just go Michael Jackson and get these cool gloves. And to me this was your idea. Yeah. And match them with whatever colors I'm wearing. Okay. And be cool. So it was like shiny, shiny, shiny and coloring things and like, okay, you know, you were wearing a glove that was wearing a glove. So this was just for performing. Then I kind of felt comfortable with it. Sort of empowering, I guess. Yeah. And then I, I did it all the time and I'm sure it wasn't some part where you embarrassed a little, I'm not embarrassed, but the fact that everyone wanted to look at my hand.

Oh I know. Cause they knew I was the guy that, you know, everyone would just want to look at him like a spectacle. They wanted to act and that gets annoying, I'm sure. And it was, yeah, it was weird. Like, okay, I'm here. Why don't you look at me at my face? It's just like when a woman's pregnant, they, she has a belly and they're like, oh, can I touch you? Yes. Is the same. That's it's definitely great example.

Yeah. And so I just hid behind a glove. And, and then one good day, my good friend Martin Rica, who is a singer and from Argentina, he made most of his career in Mexico. We were on tour together. Um, and we got very close. We were very good friends. We would play football, we would go workout. We, you know, it was that, that friend who you just, he was just going to hotel, hey, let's go to the pool.

Hey, let's go play ping pong. Let's go play tennis, football. So, um, he was always with his family, his brothers in Mexico City. He, he was a very family guy and I kind of sometimes felt I was family part of the family, but because I liked that, you know, interaction. Yeah. I was far away from my family. And you felt welcomed, feel that, you know, warm and family, yeah, kind of thing made me like very close to them and one day he would like, hey man, I wouldn't tell you something. I'm like, yeah, what's up? Like, why do you wear your club all the time? And I'm like that. I don't, I don't know. Yes. It makes me feel comfortable. Like, yeah, man. I mean you don't have to wear it here or when you go out to the movies or shopping or whatever, right to the store, you know, groceries are like, yeah, I know that. I don't know. I kind of got night tired of everyone just wanting to look at my hand. Yeah, I remember. I mean God put you in this situation and he knows you can get over it and that's how you are. And you have to just accept that now because it's a part of you and this is who you are. And I respect you and I know everyone will.

And yeah, I mean I think I kind of realized that and I decided to just wear my glove for performing. So interviews and photo shoots and everything was just going to be me and myself. No glove, no glove. Right. And the manager was not very happy with that really. And um, some of my friends in the, in their group were either, so I just decided to fight. Um, yeah, fight that battle too and say, no, this is, this is me. This is my decision. Right. So one day I just, we had like this press conference in the hotel and I went down with no glove. I'm going to show them and, and I'm gonna use my right hand and shake their hand. I don't know what up to man. And Coco was like, hey bro, I respect this, but, um, I don't think our manager's going to be very happy with this. I don't care, man. Yeah. Yeah. You were over it at that point. And I mean, we went through some kind of discussions and things. That's when I decided to say like, okay, bye. Yeah, I'm out of here. So you moved on from the group, but yeah.

Well, Richard, we, we're so thankful for you sharing your story with us today of trauma. And I'm sure you've maybe come in contact with other people that have dealt with trauma in their life and address. We just would like to know how are you helping them and maybe coaxing them through their traumatic story, just like maybe Chavela Javier Lopez helped you, um, when you were on the tar mat. Well, I guess that's,

well, I, I have, you know, sometimes people come and tell me about their lives or situations, you know what, I'm going through a bad moment with my wife or I have this going on and, and yeah, I remember a couple, but I, I never know if what I say is powerful enough. Right. Is it impacting them? Yeah. But I guess I'm sure this does. I just try to go with my own experience. Yeah. And that, that traumatic event and getting over getting over that, uh, giant like he did. I mean, you can apply that to your acting career, to anything in life. Always to, to win. Yeah. That was win. That was kind of my training. General life. Yeah. Quick Education and learning, right? Yes. Well, it's been an awesome story. Now I'm actually encouraged by your traumatic yeah.

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